The Glass Cliff Podcast: Are Women and Minority Ethnic Group Leaders Held to a Higher Standard and, if so, Why Does it Matter?

Building on the Glass Cliff discussion between Sophie Williams and Emma Sangeelee at last week’s 7th Annual IFSEA Conference Welcome Drinks Reception - and the Glass Cliff evening event earlier this year, kindly hosted by Mishcon de Reya - this podcast explores the concept in more depth.

Drawing on research, lived experience and practical insight, the discussion unpacks how and why underrepresented leaders can find themselves stepping into the most challenging leadership roles - and what can be done to change that trajectory. Watch the video or listen to the discussion.

Once again, Emma Sangeelee (Partner, CM Murray LLP) is joined by Sophie Williams (Author of The Glass Cliff and former global executive at Netflix), Jennifer Millins (Partner, Mishcon de Reya LLP) and Kevin Hogarth (Partner, PSFI LLP and Board Adviser, Executive Coach and NED) to discuss:

  • What the glass cliff is - and how societal and often unconscious discrimination shapes leadership outcomes

  • Why underrepresented leaders are more likely to be appointed into roles during periods of organisational crisis

  • The structural and cultural dynamics behind these appointments, including unequal access to progression, sponsorship and high-profile opportunities

  • How unconscious bias shapes decision-making - from “think manager, think male” to “think crisis, think female

  • The risks for individuals, including scrutiny, limited support and the potential for disproportionate blame when things go wrong

  • Practical signs to look out for when considering a senior role - and how to assess whether the conditions for success are really in place

  • The role of sponsorship, organisational support and active leadership in improving outcomes

  • How the concept can be used in a legal context to identify and evidence patterns of unfair treatment

The podcast offers a thought-provoking look at a dynamic that continues to play out across organisations and, importantly, where advisers and leaders can intervene to drive better, fairer outcomes. 

Special thanks to Melissa Davis (CEO, MD Communications) who was unable to join the podcast, but took part in the Glass Cliff IFSEA evening event earlier this year.

If you would like to discuss the Glass Cliff further, or if you have any questions arising from this discussion, please contact Emma Sangeelee, Sophie Williams, Jennifer Millins or Kevin Hogarth.

Sophie Williams's book, The Glass Cliff, is available for purchase on
Amazon and in other bookshops.

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